Episode 14 - Darkness and light, The gift of Gab, 23andMe, Butterfly Enclosure - special guest Charlanne McCarthy

Tony interviewed his cousin, Charlanne McCarthy. She's a prolific singer/songwriter and artist. They talk about only learning about each other existing a few years ago, because of 23and Me. Charlanne discusses her project Butterfly Enclosure. She talks about some of her early musical influences, and they talk about the history of the McCarthy family in Ireland, and how their ancestors shaped who they are.